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DAVID GREENE, HOST: When
you watch a presidential debate, it's easy to think that the nation is deeply
divided over economic policy. But when you talk to the experts, to economists,
turns out they agree on an enormous number of issues. Our Planet Money team
wondered what it would sound like if you could take some of those academic ideas
about the economy and put them in a candidate's mouth.
NPR's Robert Smith finds out.
ROBERT SMITH, BYLINE: To create a dream
candidate, you need a dream team. We took five leading economists of all
different stripes - conservative, liberal.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN #1: You could probably
describe me as left of center, to be fair.
LUIS ZINGALES: Pro-market but not
necessarily pro-business.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN #2: I'm a pretty
hardcore free market guy.
KATHERINE BAICKER: I'm a professor of
health economics at the Harvard School of Public Health.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN #3: I think of myself
as a radical pragmatist.
SMITH: And we said to this team, put all
your differences aside and tell us what can you actually agree on. In an ideal
world, what should the presidential candidates be talking about? Luigi Zingales
from the University of Chicago Booth School started off with something pretty
uncontroversial - the United States tax code is a disaster.
ZINGALES: All the loopholes and
differences and in particular deductions.
SMITH: Now, politicians say this all the
time and they rarely give a solution. But our economists all agree on a pretty
good way to fix it. The United States, they all said, needs to get rid of a
giant tax deduction that unfortunately millions of Americans love and enjoy.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN #4: The mortgage
interest deduction.
BAICKER: The mortgage interest
deduction.
ZINGALES: Mortgage interest is extremely
perverse.
SMITH: If you own a home, pay a
mortgage, you can write off the interest on your taxes. And if you're one of
the lucky ones, it's awesome. A little help from Uncle Sam to live the American
dream. But to an economist, a tax break is a multibillion dollar gift to a very
particular group, in this case a group that doesn't always need the money.
Here's Dean Baker. He's a liberal with the Center for Economic and Policy
Research, and a conservative, Luigi Zingales.
DEAN BAKER: It just makes no sense that,
you know, if we have Bill Gates or whoever, some very wealthy person, we're
subsidizing them to get an expensive home.
ZINGALES: So because rich people receive
a much larger subsidy, the price of houses increases so much it actually makes
it less affordable for the poorer people.
SMITH: If you totally eliminate this deduction,
the U.S. government would have an extra $100 billion a year to pay down the
deficit or maybe lower overall taxes. Why wouldn't a politician at least float
the idea? Well we wanted to see how it would sound so we hired an actor. We
wrote him a stump speech and put him in front of a fake audience.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN #5: That's why when I'm
elected president of the United States, I have a special plan for the middle
class. All of you Americans who own your own homes, I promise to raise your tax
bill by thousands of dollars a year.
BAICKER: And that's why no one elects
economists.
SMITH: Katherine Baicker from Harvard
says as painful and as unpopular as eliminating deductions would be, there is
an upside. The system would be more fair and it would bring in all this extra
revenue to the government. So I asked the panel, any chance with all that extra
money you could maybe lower some tax rates too? Well, our economists did agree
on one tax that has to go.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN #5: Read my lips, no
taxes for corporations. Zero, nada, nothing.
SMITH: This is not going to go over well
with the middle class either. Right now President Obama and Mitt Romney are
advocating lower corporate taxes, but no one said get rid of them altogether.
But our conservative and liberal economists agree, in principle at least.
Here's Dean Baker.
BAKER: We don't want to prevent
Microsoft or General Motors or whoever it might be from investing more and
improving their product line. That's a good thing in my view.
SMITH: Our economists said that if you
want to tax rich people as part of public policy, tax rich people, tax the
owners of the corporation, but don't tax the profits from the corporation that
are reinvested and creating jobs. Now, before you think that our economic dream
team has nothing but unpopular ideas, there is more to the plan.
Later today on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED,
our economists say there might just be a way to get rid of income taxes
altogether and they unveil their big plan to combat illegal drugs.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN #6: Make them legal.
SMITH: And other economic wisdom you
won't hear in the debates. Robert Smith, NPR News, New York.